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Call for comments for the iSummit 2008 venue
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Noguchi (Japan) · Aug 02nd, 2007 10:37 pm · 49 votes · 14 comments
 
The Saporro Convention Centre or the Royton - which Summit 08 venue will it be?, Creativecommonsjp, via flickr.com, CC BY 3.0 (http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/)
The Saporro Convention Centre or the Royton - which Summit 08 venue will it be?, by Creativecommonsjp, via flickr.com
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Convention Centre buffet area
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Convention Centre small meeting room
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Convention Centre, view of courtyard
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Dining area in Royton Sapporo
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The view from Royton Sapporo
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Meeting space in Royton
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Dear all,

Hello from Tokyo!

Once again, it was so nice to see/meet you all in iSummit 2007. I really had a nice time, and it's always nice to see all the peers working in a creative way to enhance the sharing economy!

As you know, the next year iSummit will be held in Sapporo, Japan. We have already started the preparation for the next year, and we have to decide the venue quite soon, by mid August. Heather is planning to visit Sapporo from August 16-26th, and most likely decide the venue during the visit. This is to call your comments on the venue, as we have two options.

Sapporo city was so kind to show me the places when I visited Sapporo, and basically there are two options available. Each venue has pros and cons, and we would like to invite you all to comment on your preference. The good news is, both venue has large halls as well as small and middle rooms in one building- Therefore, either way, we can have a conference in a quite united manner. The main difference is the location (how close to the city centre), atmosphere and price. We have uploaded many more photos on Flickr, you can find it at here.

1) Sapporo Convention Center

Pros:
- Very Good Internet Connection
- Conveniently designed buildings targeted for conventions
- Nice open atmosphere (glass walls and nice gardens, good for picnic)
- Some open spaces suitable for art demonstrations, with relatively neutral background
- Can have mini-theater!
- And price being reasonable (because it is owned by the Sapporo city, and the city is so kind to offer us a discount! Many thanks to Sapporo City!!!)

Cons:
- Location: a bit remotely located. Maybe 20-25 minutes ride by bus from the city center, and no large accommodations around. Therefore, we would probably have to stay in a hotel or other accommodations in the city center, and charter a bus to move to the venue (as we did this year). Or, you can take a subway (about 6-7 minutes from the city center), and then walk for 8-10 minutes, and we can prepare a map for those who missed the bus.
- Therefore, a bit hard to collaborate with events and things going on in the center of the city.
- Rent a bus is relatively expensive in Japan, and therefore, even though the venue itself is much more reasonably priced, we may have to spend some amount of money for the bus anyway.

2) Royton Sapporo

Pros:
- Very conveniently located. Right in the heart of the city.
- Therefore, walking distance from everything! Such as accommodations (Royton is a hotel, but there are many other hotels around with different price ranges and we are thinking of arranging some home-stay or camp sort of choice, too ;-), many good restaurants etc.
- easy to collaborate with things going on in the city.
- has a large room (can accommodate 1000 people) and three middle size rooms (for about 200-300), as well as 8-10 small rooms, have many experiences in holding a conferences.
- Of course have internet access (but maybe not as fast as the Convention Center).

Cons:
- Price is much higher than the Convention Center. We will do our best to negotiate with the hotel, as well as fund-raise, so we will be OK (hopefully-) and we don't need a bus.
- The atmosphere is a bit fancy (imagine a typical nice hotel). In addition to the Flickr photos, see the following links (it's in Japanese, but you can see pictures with no problem!):
large hall
mid-size hall
small rooms
entrance
- There are several open spaces in this venue, too, and thus, we can exhibit arts and things, but the building itself has some atmosphere (with bright marble-like stones on the floor and marble-like columns. Some artists may have to consider this background when showing their works, or some may not like the atmosphere....

If we opt for Royton, we can have the next iSummit in a very convenient location, and given that Sapporo city is collaborating with the iSummit, we may be able to fully enjoy the city and the location, but it will cost more (and we may also have other hotel guests around).

If we opt for the Sapporo Convention Center, we will have to spend some time for transportation, but we can do our best to create a nice conference with an open atmosphere, and can use the venue almost by ourselves, and can be creative (and we can have fun in the city in the evenings after the day schedule is over-)

But it is a hard choice to make, and we welcome your input and ideas!

Thanks

Yuko Noguchi (CCJP)

tags: japan media-events isummit 2008 sapporo japan summit08


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Hi Yuko! It would be fantastic to see some of the pictures of the venues incorporated into this post... How about uploading a main picture, and including a slide show of up to 6 other photos? The slide show can be done after you have saved your changes, once you have edited this piece... Let me know if you need any assistance! :)
Daniela Faris · Johannesburg (South Africa) · Aug 01st, 2007 5:00 pm
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Noguchi Thanks, Daniela, for your great comments! I would like to do it, and see how I can for including pictures, but not really sure about the slide shows.... Is it difficult to do?

Thanks for your great support!
Noguchi (Japan) · Aug 01st, 2007 6:12 pm
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Noguchi OK, Daniela, so, I fitured out the following, is this correct?
1) as for pictures, I can choose only one picture, and
2) as for slide shows, I can choose up to 6 pictures. right?
I will try to do it tonight. I will try to edit the photo so that it includes two venues in a piece, but not sure how it goes... Thanks-
Noguchi (Japan) · Aug 01st, 2007 6:17 pm
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Yes, that's correct Yuko... The main picture you upload in the field just below the text box, then you press the 'submit changes' button. Then it'll take you to a page which states that you can now upload a photo slide show and other multimedia. You click on the slide show option, and then you can upload 6 more... :)

Thanks Yuko! :)

Daniela Faris · Johannesburg (South Africa) · Aug 01st, 2007 7:49 pm
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Noguchi Daniela,

I have tried several times to upload the photos for a slide show, but somehow I can't upload the photos (it says "an error has occured") and don't know why. they are JPG form, around 4-5K each, and on the desktop. Can you imagine any reason why?? thanks-
Noguchi (Japan) · Aug 02nd, 2007 1:30 am
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Some comments from discussions on the iCommons mailing list:

From Giorgos:
"The main hall of the convention center looks massive. If we need this space because of all the extra guests and larger scale of this summit, then we should choose the convention center. If we don't need it, then my vote would be for the hotel: more accommodation options, shorter travel time, more fun things to do and stuff to eat in the vicinity I presume, and more of an opportunity to interact with the local population (yes, the 'commons') and attract more press coverage as well as more visitors to artist works (an event at the heart of the city is bound to receive more attention, though even better would have been a convention or community center in the center of the city instead of a hotel)."

From Oscar:
"From what i see and you tell us in your email i guess Royton Sapporo looks
as the best option. The only problem i found in Dubrovnik was precisely the
distance between some hotels and the venue. In my case i stayed at Mlini
which was about 20 mins away from the venue. Even though there was public transport you could spend hours waiting for the next bus. And taxis were some Kunas away...lol!!"

From Henrik:
"I second this. The best solution is a venue which is both central and close to accommodation. Mlini this year was wonderful but I think many were less willing to go out for a beer after sessions because it was either the bus home or a long, expensive and nervewrecking, near-death experience to get a taxi back :) "

From Stian:
"Just my two cents - if the subway is convenient and runs late, this
sounds like an OK option to me - 8 minutes is not much.... I just wanted to say that I also really second the idea of using homestays and stuff. I always find it much more interesting to stay with local people, and it could also drive costs down."

What do you think? The Royton or Convention Centre as the venue for the next Summit? Leave your comments here!
Daniela Faris · Johannesburg (South Africa) · Aug 02nd, 2007 10:47 pm
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I'd prefer we use whichever venue leaves us more money to fund scholarships. Yeah, I know, that sounds pretty self-serving, but I'd also like to see more participants able to come from developing countries.
Steve Foerster · Grand Savanne, Salisbury (Dominica) · Aug 03rd, 2007 6:06 am
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I agree with Steve. I think that its going to be really expensive as it is to get people to Sapporo that we should really try and prioritise scholarships.
Heather Ford · Johannesburg (South Africa) · Aug 03rd, 2007 11:04 am
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How much is the price difference between the two? How many scholarships would it cover?
JimboWales (United States) · Aug 04th, 2007 4:20 pm
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Will get back to you on that in the next few days while I'm here in Japan :)
Heather Ford · Johannesburg (South Africa) · Aug 07th, 2007 3:29 pm
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Both options looks fine; but Sapporo is so far and travels so expensive. The key for success will be more participants and more diversity: them it´s convenient to choose the option that minor expenses results and use the money to gave more scholarships. Sapporo`s Mayor presents a nice welcome video at Dubrovnik, can he help to obtain preferencial prices for the convention center? It will be great, CC is an opportunity to Sapporo and Asia - the first iSummit in that exotic land ;-)
dariojalvarez · Caracas (Venezuela) · Aug 08th, 2007 6:09 pm
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I agree about choosing the cheaper place. Additionally, in my opinion the problem this year was not that the venue was away from accomodation, but that accomodation was away from town. I understand that in Sapporo we would all go back by bus or metro - so the only question would be to live moderately close to each other. I like the idea of having the Summit at a slightly remote place, as it allows to keep the energy in one place.
Alek Tarkowski · Warszawa (Poland) · Aug 13th, 2007 9:55 pm
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Yesterday and today we visited the two options for conference venues. We had had the impression before that the Sapporo Convention Centre was in a remote area – but actually it is well-served by public transport and only 3 stops away from the central underground station. The Centre is served by public buses and it takes about 8 minutes to walk to the underground station. The City of Sapporo have kindly offered to cover transport to and from the venue in the morning and the evening to the conference hotels.

The Centre itself (see the pics here) is very well equipped for large events – every room is equipped with screens, AV equipment and all the necessary furniture, and there are simultaneous interpreter booths for the main hall. There are smaller speaker rooms and a fairly small open exhibition area – as well as numerous other rooms of various sizes for the different sessions. There is wifi in some of the open areas but we’d probably have to put routers to serve the conference rooms.

The price is also hugely discounted because it is a municipal center and because of our support from the City of Sapporo.

Royton Hotel, on the other hand, is more central – but it is the only major hotel in the area which would mean that it would be convenient only for those staying in the hotel (accommodating 200 guests). Others would have to walk about 20 minutes to get there (or take public transport/taxis).

There is no wifi in the hotel – rooms are equipped with wired LAN access and we could install wifi in the conference rooms.

It looks to us that the Sapporo Convention Centre would be a much better bet - but note that the City of Sapporo has kindly agreed to sponsor the venue. This is an incredible boon for us and it means that we can focus on scholarships and the programme :)

Thank you, Sapporo City!

(Please go to the iSummit08 Node to join in other discussions like this one.)
Heather Ford · Johannesburg (South Africa) · Aug 23rd, 2007 6:22 pm
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Dear Heather, after your detailed explanations, with pro of against for the option, I´ll remark with no doubts your words: "...It looks to us that the Sapporo Convention Centre would be a much better bet .." It´s all acording the video presentation and welcome that Sapporo´s Major offersr to us at the end of the iSummit
Well done again Heather!
dariojalvarez · Caracas (Venezuela) · Aug 23rd, 2007 7:44 pm
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